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Psychopaths And Free Will
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i***@gmail.com
2018-02-07 08:12:48 UTC
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According to many people, sociopaths are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. As someone said on the Internet, a sociopath by definition cannot be a good person. This is wrong. This is completely wrong. Anything capable of choice is capable of righful choice. This includes sociopaths.

My parents kept calling each other psychopaths; but both were good enough people. They worked hard. They were responsible. They were dedicated to their children. My aunt claimed that my father had no human qualities. That is wrong. When my grandmother spiraled into a clinical depression, he took her to Moscow to get help while my aunt did about that absolutely nothing. When I was being a little shit, he would try to show his love for me. And he put in a lot of will into bringing his family to America and making it there even though it was a difficult thing to do, so that his sons did not have to face deadly conditions of Russian military. He did say mean things; but many other people said meaner things. As for my mother, she is someone whom most people see, rightfully, as a good person.

Should we encourage unscrupulous behavior? Absolutely not. We should encourage righful choice based on values. We should encourage people to do the right thing, whatever may be wrong with their brains. We should encourage free will. And this will take us out of horrible bestial dynamics and elevate us to being actual human beings.

If someone is sick in the head, the correct solution is not to attack them but to guide them to better choices. This once again is the case for sociopaths. It is to show them where they are doing wrong; and it is to get them to use their human will and intelligence to correct whatever may be wrong with their natural tendencies.

Now there are many people who, if left to their own devices, will do wrong things. Probably the best solution to that is the Bible. The Bible teaches ethics that anyone, including a sociopath, can correctly apply. And this will teach these people to do the right thing, whatever may be wrong with them.

When I was speaking on such issues on the Internet, a woman asked me why I was supporting the scum of the earth. My response to that is that they are not the scum of the earth. They are people. I do not like demonization, and I do not like witch hunts. And this is exactly what we see here.

What we have seen is the worst witch hunt in the history of America. What we have seen is wrongful claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. This, once again, is completely irrational, just as much as it is cruel. Anything capable of choice is capable of righful choice. And it is completely wrong to demonize these people and claim that they can only do wrong.

So I want to see these bestial dynamics overcome through re-introduction of free will. Once again, even if you are a sociopath you can choose to act rightfully. And doing that will do far more to solve criminal and related problems than anything that people who howl about sociopaths ever do.
Fergus
2018-02-27 16:35:48 UTC
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Are psychopaths/sociopaths capable of making right choices or is their free will curtailed by their brain structure?

I would most certainly agree that to call them "scum" is inappropriate. However I am doubtful if their behaviour patterns can be changed just by encouraging them to do the right thing but I do not know what the answer is.

How about the person who knows what he is doing is evil and wants to stop but cannot? I was reading about a guy in that position who turned out to have a brain tumour which altered his behaviour despite himself. Where is free will in that?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/a-40-year-old-developed-an-obsession-with-child-pornography-then-doctors-discovered-why-a6893756.html

Fergus

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 00:12:48 -0800 (PST)
Post by i***@gmail.com
According to many people, sociopaths are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. As someone said on the Internet, a sociopath by definition cannot be a good person. This is wrong. This is completely wrong. Anything capable of choice is capable of righful choice. This includes sociopaths.
My parents kept calling each other psychopaths; but both were good enough people. They worked hard. They were responsible. They were dedicated to their children. My aunt claimed that my father had no human qualities. That is wrong. When my grandmother spiraled into a clinical depression, he took her to Moscow to get help while my aunt did about that absolutely nothing. When I was being a little shit, he would try to show his love for me. And he put in a lot of will into bringing his family to America and making it there even though it was a difficult thing to do, so that his sons did not have to face deadly conditions of Russian military. He did say mean things; but many other people said meaner things. As for my mother, she is someone whom most people see, rightfully, as a good person.
Should we encourage unscrupulous behavior? Absolutely not. We should encourage righful choice based on values. We should encourage people to do the right thing, whatever may be wrong with their brains. We should encourage free will. And this will take us out of horrible bestial dynamics and elevate us to being actual human beings.
If someone is sick in the head, the correct solution is not to attack them but to guide them to better choices. This once again is the case for sociopaths. It is to show them where they are doing wrong; and it is to get them to use their human will and intelligence to correct whatever may be wrong with their natural tendencies.
Now there are many people who, if left to their own devices, will do wrong things. Probably the best solution to that is the Bible. The Bible teaches ethics that anyone, including a sociopath, can correctly apply. And this will teach these people to do the right thing, whatever may be wrong with them.
When I was speaking on such issues on the Internet, a woman asked me why I was supporting the scum of the earth. My response to that is that they are not the scum of the earth. They are people. I do not like demonization, and I do not like witch hunts. And this is exactly what we see here.
What we have seen is the worst witch hunt in the history of America. What we have seen is wrongful claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. This, once again, is completely irrational, just as much as it is cruel. Anything capable of choice is capable of righful choice. And it is completely wrong to demonize these people and claim that they can only do wrong.
So I want to see these bestial dynamics overcome through re-introduction of free will. Once again, even if you are a sociopath you can choose to act rightfully. And doing that will do far more to solve criminal and related problems than anything that people who howl about sociopaths ever do.
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i***@gmail.com
2018-03-02 02:23:29 UTC
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Post by Fergus
Are psychopaths/sociopaths capable of making right choices or is their free will curtailed by their brain structure?
I would most certainly agree that to call them "scum" is inappropriate. However I am doubtful if their behaviour patterns can be changed just by encouraging them to do the right thing but I do not know what the answer is.
How about the person who knows what he is doing is evil and wants to stop but cannot? I was reading about a guy in that position who turned out to have a brain tumour which altered his behaviour despite himself. Where is free will in that?
Interesting observation. I am pretty sure that most sociopaths can choose to control themselves. If someone cannot control himself then he is an animal. I have a better view of people.
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