Discussion:
The religious question
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Ilya Shambat
2003-08-04 18:05:30 UTC
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The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?

If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.

If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.

There are no other questions worth asking.
IOStorm
2003-08-04 19:04:48 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
That's easy. Be a good little pet and be very careful not to go on the
rug. God doesn't just whack his pets with a rolled up paper once - he
whacks them for eternity.
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
I'm still waiting for all these religious folks to come over and
improve my life.
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
Really? How about: "Is there really any sense in religion?"
David O'Lantern
2003-08-04 21:51:59 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Ilya Shambat wrote:
[...]

Ilya, if your life is THAT dull maybe you should take me to
Burningman.


D.
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dejablues
2003-08-04 23:03:33 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
It hasn't ended in anyone elses lifetime, so the safe bet would be No.
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If the world does end, does that necessarily mean God's Kingdom exists?
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
I have a hard enough time improving my own.
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
If you say so. Stick to translating poetry!
Midwinter
2003-08-04 23:52:47 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
And even that one is not worth asking. But it is surprising how often it
DOES appear to be asked, with the implication that a belief in End Times
coming soon absolves a believer of responsibility of doing anything about
the 'here and now'. End Times believers often spend so much of their
time gazing expectantly into the sky that they fail to notice most of the
things going on here on Earth.

It does not matter whether you expect your Earthly life to run its course
before the Second Coming or not - you can still work to improve life for
people around the globe. Dedication to God is not simply a case of doing
all the right things until He lets you in. It is what is in your heart
that counts. Maybe working to improve life for others - and doing it
because you believe in it - IS what will get you into God's kingdom.

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Midwinter
Courageous
2003-08-05 02:23:11 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...

Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.

C//
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-05 13:00:20 UTC
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Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
C//
Buddhists have a perfectly utilitarian system of ethics without the illusionary
support of a divine authoritarian.

Cat
ise
2003-08-05 23:57:28 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
C//
Buddhists have a perfectly utilitarian system of ethics without the illusionary
support of a divine authoritarian.
Cat
IF we refer only to "illusionary support" subsumize all under capital
seems logical, doesn t it<?
thing is I long to small stories, but would I pray for that to happen,
causes another logic
ise
2003-08-07 17:57:10 UTC
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Post by ise
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
C//
Buddhists have a perfectly utilitarian system of ethics without the illusionary
support of a divine authoritarian.
Cat
IF we refer only to "illusionary support" subsumize all under capital
seems logical, doesn t it<?
Not to me it doesn't. (I'm a social democrat.)
dont get you with the social-demo-crazy here:
1/ s.d. is outer space
2/ illusionary support didn t mean reallife aid for you anyway (i d agree)
3/ logic is no deal for s.d.
Post by ise
thing is I long to small stories, but would I pray for that to happen,
causes another logic
A prayer, I once read, is a stone, thrown at the sky.
That must have been written few days ago:) or centuries.
Nowadays a prayer is a kind of social worker, with an every day life and an
income to tax.
Cat
Christian Ebert
2003-08-07 20:20:32 UTC
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Post by ise
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Buddhists have a perfectly utilitarian system of ethics without the illusionary
support of a divine authoritarian.
IF we refer only to "illusionary support" subsumize all under capital
seems logical, doesn t it<?
Not to me it doesn't. (I'm a social democrat.)
Yesterday the general secretary of the German social democrats
recommended to get rid of the goal of social democracy. Like
always they try their best to abolish themselves.
Post by ise
thing is I long to small stories, but would I pray for that to happen,
causes another logic
A prayer, I once read, is a stone, thrown at the sky.
Did you get away in time before it fell back to earth?

c
--
Nicht eh die Revolution gesiegt hat endgültig
In der Stadt Witebsk wie in andern Städten
Werden wir wissen, was das ist, ein Mensch.
(Heiner Müller, Mauser)
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-08 14:18:27 UTC
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Post by Christian Ebert
Post by ise
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Buddhists have a perfectly utilitarian system of ethics without the illusionary
support of a divine authoritarian.
IF we refer only to "illusionary support" subsumize all under capital
seems logical, doesn t it<?
Not to me it doesn't. (I'm a social democrat.)
Yesterday the general secretary of the German social democrats
recommended to get rid of the goal of social democracy. Like
always they try their best to abolish themselves.
It's probably some kind of implosive death wish. I told a German man once that I
was a social democrat and he asked if I was also into S&M?
Post by Christian Ebert
Post by ise
thing is I long to small stories, but would I pray for that to happen,
causes another logic
A prayer, I once read, is a stone, thrown at the sky.
Did you get away in time before it fell back to earth?
c
--
Nicht eh die Revolution gesiegt hat endgültig
In der Stadt Witebsk wie in andern Städten
Werden wir wissen, was das ist, ein Mensch.
(Heiner Müller, Mauser)
Having studied the rudiments of physics, I've never felt the need to even
bother.

Cat
Christian Ebert
2003-08-09 23:19:35 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Christian Ebert
Yesterday the general secretary of the German social democrats
recommended to get rid of the goal of social democracy. Like
always they try their best to abolish themselves.
It's probably some kind of implosive death wish. I told a German man once that I
was a social democrat and he asked if I was also into S&M?
I am quite sure you are not into shallowness & mediocrity.

c
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So dacht ich. Nächstens mehr.
_HÖLDERLIN: H Y P E R I O N_ <http://www.blacktrash.org/>
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-11 13:32:01 UTC
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Post by Christian Ebert
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Christian Ebert
Yesterday the general secretary of the German social democrats
recommended to get rid of the goal of social democracy. Like
always they try their best to abolish themselves.
It's probably some kind of implosive death wish. I told a German man once that I
was a social democrat and he asked if I was also into S&M?
I am quite sure you are not into shallowness & mediocrity.
c
--
So dacht ich. Nächstens mehr.
_HÖLDERLIN: H Y P E R I O N_ <http://www.blacktrash.org/>
Mediocrity is woven like a golden thread through everything we do. Society
demands it as a sacrifice to the god of normalcy. And I can be as shallow as
anyone else when the occasion serves. Commercial culture breeds a species of
shallow being and rebellions against the norm occur when the agents and ad men
nod their heads.

Cat
David O'Lantern
2003-08-11 19:29:12 UTC
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[...]
Post by Christian Ebert
I told a German man once that I was a social democrat
and he asked if I was also into S&M?
I am quite sure you are not into shallowness & mediocrity.
I am! In fact I'm very good at it! (Right, Ilya? Layo? Brunson?)


The


P.S. Johnny Favorite on fire: a Brunson burner.
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Christian Ebert
2003-08-12 06:57:31 UTC
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Post by David O'Lantern
[...]
Post by Christian Ebert
I told a German man once that I was a social democrat
and he asked if I was also into S&M?
I am quite sure you are not into shallowness & mediocrity.
I am! In fact I'm very good at it! (Right, Ilya? Layo? Brunson?)
very good != mediocre.

Or were you refering to soliloqui&metaphor?

c
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David O'Lantern
2003-08-12 14:42:02 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Christian Ebert wrote:
[...]
Post by Christian Ebert
very good != mediocre.
Are you trying to say I can't be very good at being mediocre?

Can one be very bad at it?



D.
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"You better understand that you're alone -- a long way from home."
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c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-12 15:57:46 UTC
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Post by David O'Lantern
[...]
Post by Christian Ebert
very good != mediocre.
Are you trying to say I can't be very good at being mediocre?
Can one be very bad at it?
D.
Exceed the norm but once - and they'll require you to continuously pull rabbits
out of hats. And they want fatter rabbits every time.

Cat
Jonah Thomas
2003-08-12 16:11:51 UTC
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Post by David O'Lantern
Post by Christian Ebert
very good != mediocre.
Are you trying to say I can't be very good at being mediocre?
Can one be very bad at it?
It depends on how you measure it. Can you imagine either you or Ilya
trying to be average?

Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football scores. Imagine
him trying to make small talk with women about the latest sitcoms.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.

You're the same way, in a different kind of way. If you tried to be
average all it would take would be some guy explaining how we had to go
into iraq because of 9/11 and the WMDs and you couldn't keep it up ten
seconds.
Nutmegger
2003-09-02 20:51:02 UTC
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Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.

That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Nutmegger
2003-09-02 20:51:07 UTC
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Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.

That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-03 20:08:16 UTC
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Post by Nutmegger
Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.
That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.

Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)

"HE WAS IN THE INZONE YOU F**KING IDIOT!"
"INSTANT REPLAY!"

Chardonnay anyone?

;>

Cat
bob
2003-09-03 20:43:10 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Nutmegger
Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.
That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
(David O'Lantern)
2003-09-04 02:52:07 UTC
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, bob wrote:
[...]
Post by bob
I'm good with a fork and a knife.
I'm good with a spoon. Not too many people will watch me eat.


D.
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c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-04 03:03:49 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Nutmegger
Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.
That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!

Cat
bob
2003-09-04 15:48:21 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Nutmegger
Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.
That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-05 13:30:05 UTC
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Post by bob
bob says...
Post by bob
Nutmegger says...
Post by Nutmegger
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
I am actually very good with tools.
;>
Post by bob
Post by bob
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.

I wasn't going to mention this, but due to a four year residence in the Bay
Area, and numerous free tickets, my second favorite team is the Raiders. (This
is something I cannot confess back home in Minnie-sota.) But I wear two hats. I
almost started dating one of them. (But he was such an arrogant asshole!)

The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.

Cat
bob
2003-09-05 18:12:49 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
bob says...
Post by bob
Nutmegger says...
Post by Nutmegger
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by bob
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-06 15:32:30 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
I use the damned things all the time but I am better with quill pen and
parchment.
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
One of those old family things. Try "Thorvald!"
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.

Cat
bob
2003-09-06 15:50:29 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
I use the damned things all the time but I am better with quill pen and
parchment.
I had to use one of those in art class when I was in high school. I
made a mess. I get ink on my hands when I use ball point pens.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
One of those old family things. Try "Thorvald!"
Thor for short.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.
That got me thinking about something else.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-06 18:49:24 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
I use the damned things all the time but I am better with quill pen and
parchment.
I had to use one of those in art class when I was in high school. I
made a mess. I get ink on my hands when I use ball point pens.
Calligraphy ~ a little hobby.
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
One of those old family things. Try "Thorvald!"
Thor for short.
How'd you know? (The man's psychic!)
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.
That got me thinking about something else.
Don't worry darling, I'm not a size queen.

That's it! I've picked up the dog poo in the yard, had a little champagne, lox
and bagel, and now I'm taking my sweety pooch for a walk on the
weathered heath, where wind and sky can play thru my tresses and the world
becomes simple.

Have a good weekend dear.

;x

Cat
bob
2003-09-06 18:55:53 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
I use the damned things all the time but I am better with quill pen and
parchment.
I had to use one of those in art class when I was in high school. I
made a mess. I get ink on my hands when I use ball point pens.
Calligraphy ~ a little hobby.
It requires coordination I don't have.
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Post by bob
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Post by bob
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
One of those old family things. Try "Thorvald!"
Thor for short.
How'd you know? (The man's psychic!)
maybe Ilya is right after all. <bowing>
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The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.
That got me thinking about something else.
Don't worry darling, I'm not a size queen.
heh
Post by c***@fwiw.com
That's it! I've picked up the dog poo in the yard, had a little champagne, lox
and bagel, and now I'm taking my sweety pooch for a walk on the
weathered heath, where wind and sky can play thru my tresses and the world
becomes simple.
Lox and bagel. I used to have that every weekend. It's been a long
time since I had lox.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Have a good weekend dear.
You too. I'm dedicating the weekend to two books. One's a translation
of a story originally written in Chinese, the other one is a shoot 'em
up high tech war thingie.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-09-09 13:11:17 UTC
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Calligraphy ~ a little hobby.
bob says...>
It requires coordination I don't have.

It requires patience. {I'm not very good anyway.}
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How'd you know? (The man's psychic!)
maybe Ilya is right after all. <bowing>
Poor Ilya. I wonder if he went to Burning Man? I was thinking of going and then
a friend who was going to go said the admission was something like $200!
Just to see Ilya riding around in the nude on a unicycle?

Maybe next year. This year I am too busy.
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Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.
That got me thinking about something else.
Don't worry darling, I'm not a size queen.
heh
Not that a little extra isn't nice.
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
That's it! I've picked up the dog poo in the yard, had a little champagne, lox
and bagel, and now I'm taking my sweety pooch for a walk on the
weathered heath, where wind and sky can play thru my tresses and the world
becomes simple.
Lox and bagel. I used to have that every weekend. It's been a long
time since I had lox.
I like it with a very thin slice of sweet onion. (That's why we carry altoids,
right?)
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Have a good weekend dear.
You too. I'm dedicating the weekend to two books. One's a translation
of a story originally written in Chinese, the other one is a shoot 'em
up high tech war thingie.
A funerary text from the Old Kingdom period:
O! O! Rise up, O Teti!
Take your head,
Collect your bones, (etc., you get the idea.)
No recreational reading for me for awhile!

Oh, and by the way, our wittle teamsy-weemsy beat Green Bay!

;P

Cat
gc wall
2003-09-14 06:16:59 UTC
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I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
I use the damned things all the time but I am better with quill pen and
parchment.
I had to use one of those in art class when I was in high school. I
made a mess. I get ink on my hands when I use ball point pens.
Calligraphy ~ a little hobby.
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Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
One of those old family things. Try "Thorvald!"
Thor for short.
How'd you know? (The man's psychic!)
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
Think smaller. But intensely worshipped.
That got me thinking about something else.
Don't worry darling, I'm not a size queen.
That's it! I've picked up the dog poo in the yard, had a little champagne, lox
and bagel, and now I'm taking my sweety pooch for a walk on the
weathered heath, where wind and sky can play thru my tresses and the world
becomes simple.
...and how long does that last, one minute, two, five if its a real good
day? About as long as it takes for a player to get over a touch down
or stopped play that he was the primary reason for its success. Hal
made them pray. Pray that it was over. Pray he would retire. Pray
that the "weathered heath" would no longer meet his face. "Glory,
hallelujah! Thank the Lord they don't let dogs doo doo on this heath,
whether one brings lox and champagne or not." The player abstained
overnight. It was simpler without tresses in the sky, or so he thought.
Weekends are for wusses. The player works on Sundays, and he was dear
to no one, nor no one dear to him. Sun-days. It doesn't fade so
quickly, really; he gave it life every time he spoke about it, even
though it was only to himself.
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Have a good weekend dear.
;x
Cat
gc wall
2003-09-14 05:12:46 UTC
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Post by bob
bob says...
Post by bob
Nutmegger says...
Post by Nutmegger
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I'm good with a fork and a knife. Does that count? I can also use
chopsticks quite well with either hand. I'm Ok with a shovel but ...
precision tools are best left to those who can use them properly.
I am actually very good with tools.
I'm good with a computer.
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Post by bob
Post by bob
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
What team is yours? I'm hoping to go to a Bucs game this year.
You ask a Nordic Minnesota girl a question like that? I bleed purple!
Minnesota has a football team?
Please don't say that around Karl, Sven, Ivar, and the kin...they are sensitive
about their wittle team.
Ivar. Now why didn't I ever think of naming one of my kids Ivar? Damn.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The team everyone roots for around here (current residence) is a college team.
These yahoos don't know professional football exists.
There's a big college team rivalry thing here in Florida.
Gators/Seminoles.
If a player abstains from sex prior to
praying; does his god hear him better.
If the player is Nordic does it help him
to win or lose? The player needs to know
if he is praying for the right thing.
Abstinence is one of the few things that
should work perfectly, yet it is certain
that it does much worse than that. This,
is a righteous question? Ask the one who
prays.
Nutmegger
2003-09-05 01:08:54 UTC
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Post by Nutmegger
Post by Jonah Thomas
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I have the tool thing going on too, they are just so fun to play with.

I built myself a workbench, now I need a wheel grinder thing on it.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so unspeakably
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
Just oozes class, don't you know?

<It wasn't a tavern either, but a nice restaurant. The tavern was to the
left>
Post by c***@fwiw.com
"HE WAS IN THE INZONE YOU F**KING IDIOT!"
"INSTANT REPLAY!"
Chardonnay anyone?
;>
Lol, I prefer Cabernet Savignon.
bob
2003-09-05 01:23:51 UTC
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:08:54 -0400, "Nutmegger"
Post by Nutmegger
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by Nutmegger
Post by Jonah Thomas
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Shame that. I like a man that is good with tools.
I have the tool thing going on too, they are just so fun to play with.
I built myself a workbench, now I need a wheel grinder thing on it.
I admire that sort of thing. My sister had a nice bunch of tools when
she was married to her second husband. She was fairly skilled also.
I'm not much of a craftsperson. I guess I don't have the patience or
something. I can design stuff on a computer but I have a heck of a
time trying to make anything I design.

I can mow a lawn pretty darn well though.
Post by Nutmegger
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Screaming and yelling in a tavern over one's football team is so
unspeakably
Post by c***@fwiw.com
gauche. (Someone please stop me when I start doing it.)
Just oozes class, don't you know?
It took getting involved with youth sports for me to get interested in
adult sports. I hope to go to a Bucs game this year. If I get the job
I interviewed for the other day I'll definitely go to at least one
game. Baseball games are cheaper than football and they are fun to
attend also. It's' not the game so much as the intensity of the crowd.
It's not a whole lot different than charismatic religion, I suppose.
Post by Nutmegger
<It wasn't a tavern either, but a nice restaurant. The tavern was to the
left>
Post by c***@fwiw.com
"HE WAS IN THE INZONE YOU F**KING IDIOT!"
"INSTANT REPLAY!"
Chardonnay anyone?
Lol, I prefer Cabernet Savignon.
Me too. Or Merlot. It's a bummer that I can't seem to drink more than
a glass without complications.

not that it stops me one some days.

I'm the burn out (not fade way) type.
Nutmegger
2003-09-02 20:51:18 UTC
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Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.

That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
Nutmegger
2003-09-02 20:51:37 UTC
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Imagine Ilya drinking Schlitz and discussing football >scores.
Can't imagine that.
We left a restaurant sooner than we wanted because it
happened to be the superbowl and we had rowdy neighbors screaming and
yelling.
Imagine him trying to make small talk with women about >the latest
sitcoms.

That is just plain silly.
Working data-entry and spending his paycheck at Sears.
Lol....He isn't a Craftsman kind of guy.
bob
2003-09-02 20:58:59 UTC
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hmm

Jonah hoses on me a bit and who shows up but ... the woman who never
sent me any freaking lasagna.

Bitch.
jonah thomas
2003-09-02 22:30:34 UTC
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Post by bob
Jonah hoses on me a bit and who shows up but ... the woman who never
sent me any freaking lasagna.
I hosed on you?

I wonder what sort of post you't take as not hosing on you.
bob
2003-09-03 02:05:45 UTC
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Post by jonah thomas
Post by bob
Jonah hoses on me a bit and who shows up but ... the woman who never
sent me any freaking lasagna.
I hosed on you?
Sure.
Post by jonah thomas
I wonder what sort of post you't take as not hosing on you.
Jonah Jonah Joanh.

Try again another day, eh?
bob
2003-09-03 02:19:00 UTC
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Post by jonah thomas
Post by bob
Jonah hoses on me a bit and who shows up but ... the woman who never
sent me any freaking lasagna.
I hosed on you?
Perhaps hosed on isn't the best word. I was goofing on whoever that
guy was ... John Latter, that's it .. and you rushed in with whatever
comment it was ... something about me not paying attention to what he
was referring to ... that was hosing ... your intention was to pick
pick pick not anything more elevated.

Anyway, you tried to stem the flow or some such (heh - you attempted
to help me see things in a different light - the light of moronic
intent) and ... low and behold ... she responded to 6 of your posts in
a row after a month of silence complete with LOL's and smarmy shit
like that.

The dynamic is pretty obvious to me. Deny it all you'd like but we
both know you are wrong and that you are extremely manipulative. At
least I'm honest about it. You pretend to take the high ground whilst
you play in the same gutter as those you pretend to be above.

You remind me of my father.
jonah thomas
2003-09-03 14:25:22 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by jonah thomas
I hosed on you?
Perhaps hosed on isn't the best word. I was goofing on whoever that
guy was ... John Latter, that's it .. and you rushed in with whatever
comment it was ... something about me not paying attention to what he
was referring to ... that was hosing ... your intention was to pick
pick pick not anything more elevated.
About you not looking at his website? I dunno, why talk to him if you
don't want to find out what he has to say? Oh, I guess that was a
rhetorical question. There could be reasons to do that.
Post by bob
Anyway, you tried to stem the flow or some such (heh - you attempted
to help me see things in a different light - the light of moronic
intent) and ... low and behold ... she responded to 6 of your posts in
a row after a month of silence complete with LOL's and smarmy shit
like that.
Oh! I looked back and now I see what you mean. Truly, I'm not trying
to compete with you for Nutmeg. I'm married.
Post by bob
The dynamic is pretty obvious to me. Deny it all you'd like but we
both know you are wrong and that you are extremely manipulative. At
least I'm honest about it. You pretend to take the high ground whilst
you play in the same gutter as those you pretend to be above.
You remind me of my father.
I've wondered why manipulation is a dirty word. What else do people do?

I've gotten the impression they consider it wrong to manipulate *other
people* even though it's fine to manipulate everything else, apparently
the idea is that we should tell other people just what we want them to
do and then bargain or something. I'm not sure what that's all about.

Anyway, no, I'm not much like you or your father. When I was young I
didn't have a lot of interest in or contact with human beings, and then
when I did get interested they seemed very peculiar. It hasn't been a
survival issue to get people to do what I want, and also I've learned
compassion and so I tend not to do things that might damage them so that
I can find out how they deal with it.
bob
2003-09-04 15:47:36 UTC
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Post by jonah thomas
Post by bob
Anyway, you tried to stem the flow or some such (heh - you attempted
to help me see things in a different light - the light of moronic
intent) and ... low and behold ... she responded to 6 of your posts in
a row after a month of silence complete with LOL's and smarmy shit
like that.
The dynamic is pretty obvious to me. Deny it all you'd like but we
both know you are wrong and that you are extremely manipulative. At
least I'm honest about it. You pretend to take the high ground whilst
you play in the same gutter as those you pretend to be above.
Oh! I looked back and now I see what you mean. Truly, I'm not trying
to compete with you for Nutmeg. I'm married.
heh
My wife just asked me what I was laughing about. Sorry Jonah, you
played that card a month ago. It's nice to know that I got to you
enough for you to go for the low blow. Perhaps you are more human than
I've given you credit for in the past.
How was that a low blow? You say you're manipulative, and you say I'm
manipulative too, and your evidence that I'm manipulative is that a
woman replied to my posts. This seems to imply that you think you're
manipulating women into replying to you.
YOu know what I meant Jonah and that wasn't it. I don't have the
energy or interest to play your word games. Get a clue, OK?

For what it's worth, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
jonah thomas
2003-09-04 15:53:44 UTC
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Post by bob
YOu know what I meant Jonah and that wasn't it. I don't have the
energy or interest to play your word games. Get a clue, OK?
No, I don't know what you meant. You have been making minimal sense to
me recently.
Post by bob
For what it's worth, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
Why not just plonk me and not read anything I write about you?
jonah thomas
2003-09-04 20:12:29 UTC
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Post by jonah thomas
Post by bob
For what it's worth, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
Why not just plonk me and not read anything I write about you?
I don't read most of your posts Jonah. I read some of the stuff you
write to me. Right now I just don't feel like playing your games. You
are boring and repetitive.
OK, feel free to respond when you come up with some sort of adequate answer.
bob
2003-09-04 20:38:16 UTC
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Post by jonah thomas
Post by jonah thomas
Post by bob
For what it's worth, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
Why not just plonk me and not read anything I write about you?
I don't read most of your posts Jonah. I read some of the stuff you
write to me. Right now I just don't feel like playing your games. You
are boring and repetitive.
OK, feel free to respond when you come up with some sort of adequate answer.
My answer was adequate. Run off and play now Jonah.
BrendaLee
2003-08-08 01:41:54 UTC
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Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
Heh.. That is how I feel about an afterlife. If there is one then I am
living with regards to that end.
If not then I really have nothing to lose.

BrendaLee(who likes to have her butt covered either way)
Post by Courageous
C//
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BrendaLee
RFA President – The Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/


Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise
will, sooner or later, have to find time for illness.
---Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1873
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2003-08-08 02:03:11 UTC
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Post by BrendaLee
Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
Heh.. That is how I feel about an afterlife. If there is one then I am
living with regards to that end.
If not then I really have nothing to lose.
BrendaLee(who likes to have her butt covered either way)
Post by Courageous
C//
--
~~~~~~
BrendaLee
RFA President - The Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/
Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise
will, sooner or later, have to find time for illness.
---Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1873
allow me to be your blanket in life
BrendaLee
2003-08-08 02:25:42 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by BrendaLee
Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our
lifetime?
Post by BrendaLee
Post by Courageous
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's
kingdom.
Post by BrendaLee
Post by Courageous
"Bet"? Sounds kind of like Pascal's Wager. No winning gamble there...
Anyway, Krishnamurti was once asked if he believed in a creator.
He replied that he thought that it was irrelevant, because whether
or not a creator existed, it wouldn't affect how he knew he was
supposed to _behave_.
Heh.. That is how I feel about an afterlife. If there is one then I am
living with regards to that end.
If not then I really have nothing to lose.
BrendaLee(who likes to have her butt covered either way)
Post by Courageous
C//
--
~~~~~~
BrendaLee
RFA President - The Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/
Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise
will, sooner or later, have to find time for illness.
---Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1873
allow me to be your blanket in life
Butt ....butt... butt.


Hee
BrendaLee
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BrendaLee
RFA President – The Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/


Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise
will, sooner or later, have to find time for illness.
---Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1873
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-05 12:33:19 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, Ilya Shambat
says...
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Sure there are.
And you left out the whales. I find that I much prefer whales to humans.
Humans are not endangered. The damned things seem to be overpopulating at an
alarming rate. I recently visited a very large metropolitan area, for a
professional conference, and I assure you, the humans were in annoying
abundance.

As for "The End of the World" (tm), well darling you know how the
universe is - all this continuous coming and going. Here today, gone for a
zillion years! It's just evolution.

No, I do not agree. The most important questions have actual answers.

Cat
bob
2003-08-05 21:36:43 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
says...
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Sure there are.
And you left out the whales. I find that I much prefer whales to humans.
Humans are not endangered. The damned things seem to be overpopulating at an
alarming rate. I recently visited a very large metropolitan area, for a
professional conference, and I assure you, the humans were in annoying
abundance.
Something should be done. We were at the beach earlier today. There
were a lot of dead fish in the water. I put a horseshoe crab that
crawled out back in the water. An hour or so later I noticed that it
had crawled back out. My wife thinks it may be the start of a red
tide.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
As for "The End of the World" (tm), well darling you know how the
universe is - all this continuous coming and going. Here today, gone for a
zillion years! It's just evolution.
No, I do not agree. The most important questions have actual answers.
Like "what time is dinner". The other night I asked that question and
was told "when the lasagna is done". My daughter and her friend cooked
it. It was very good.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-06 14:23:04 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
says...
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Sure there are.
And you left out the whales. I find that I much prefer whales to humans.
Humans are not endangered. The damned things seem to be overpopulating at an
alarming rate. I recently visited a very large metropolitan area, for a
professional conference, and I assure you, the humans were in annoying
abundance.
Something should be done. We were at the beach earlier today. There
were a lot of dead fish in the water. I put a horseshoe crab that
crawled out back in the water. An hour or so later I noticed that it
had crawled back out. My wife thinks it may be the start of a red
tide.
Red tides are a natural phenomenon. But the sea is being raped on an
unprecedented industrial scale. It is being "clear cut", "strip mined".
Maybe nothing can be done. Maybe we are, on a planetary scale, nothing more
significant than an insideous virus.

How are you going to stop the greed and madness without draconian restrictions?
How are you going to reason with the unreasoning? How are you going to tell them
that wanting everything under the sun is a sickness?
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
As for "The End of the World" (tm), well darling you know how the
universe is - all this continuous coming and going. Here today, gone for a
zillion years! It's just evolution.
No, I do not agree. The most important questions have actual answers.
Like "what time is dinner". The other night I asked that question and
was told "when the lasagna is done". My daughter and her friend cooked
it. It was very good.
It was as clear to me as the red desert sky at sunset. I could see the curve of
the earth and the first star appear. Hawks in flight.

But arriving in any human infected place, I saw them, like pathetic worms,
grubbing for their puny salvation. And I dispared.

Cat
l***@earthlink.net
2003-08-05 15:16:40 UTC
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Yeah, I agree with your asking that question Canader. There are plenty
of questions that can be asked that can be addressed though there's
nothing wrong with what was asked.
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
There are no other questions worth asking.
What makes you say that?
Where's FaranQ? No questions, no debate, shake with rage issues?
Mike and I were in bit of a philosophical arguments last month in
Chicago. Crash, it wasnt over the fat that Steve Chaneys opinions
don't matter as he is size 38 stretchpants garbage. It was about you
being unceremoniously thrown to the curb by tht digusting borad Ondrea
who has a dick growing out of her forehead.
Mike says its got to be a bitter pill getting dumped by a hideou hag
like Ondrea.
I say you get up in the morning with a bounce in your step with a big
grin on your face knowing you don't ever have to share your bed with
it again.
Im a glass half full kind of guy, Crash.
Crash, do you curse the darkness over your being dumped or are yoou
happy happy man?
WELL?
ps Davey and Brenda, WHERE's JACKIE?
Canader Canader
2003-08-05 20:55:18 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of retard?







































Charlotte, Steve Chaney is garbage. Wideload Darth Choad size 38
stretchpants fashion expert not gonna welch GARBAGE



ps Mike, he _SAID_ there are no more question worht asking, and you
have not contributed to this thread yet.

HTH
David O'Lantern
2003-08-06 00:19:23 UTC
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Canader Canader asked Ilya:
[...]
Post by Canader Canader
Are you some kind of retard?
Yes, he is! The question is, what kind of retard IS he?


D.
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"You better understand that you're alone -- a long way from home."
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c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-06 13:33:34 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, Canader Canader
says...
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of retard?
HTH
No, a reductionist.

Cat
Ilya Shambat
2003-08-07 02:50:43 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Are you some kind of retard?
Belway, where's the love in this statement?
Canader Canader
2003-08-07 18:17:28 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of retard?
Is that question worth asking?
Its a very worthwhile rhetorical question.
Canader Canader
2003-08-05 20:55:52 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Really?














































Is Yasser Arafat DEAD yet?



Lamer's DEAD
Pegetha
2003-08-06 01:02:33 UTC
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It will not end.
--
Pegetha
"I think, therefore I am - I think."
-Descartes Redux
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
bob
2003-08-08 15:05:06 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is anything you post worth reading?
bob
2003-08-08 15:32:50 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our
lifetime?
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's
kingdom.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around
the globe.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is anything you post worth reading?
is anything anything ?
Is everything nothing?
%
2003-08-08 15:40:37 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our
lifetime?
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's
kingdom.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around
the globe.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is anything you post worth reading?
is anything anything ?
Is everything nothing?
is nothing is everything
bob
2003-08-08 15:52:33 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
lifetime?
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
kingdom.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
the globe.
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is anything you post worth reading?
is anything anything ?
Is everything nothing?
is nothing is everything
as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be
strife without end
%
2003-08-08 15:58:39 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:49:10 -0400, jonah thomas
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
Post by bob
Post by Ilya Shambat
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is anything you post worth reading?
is anything anything ?
Is everything nothing?
is nothing is everything
as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be
strife without end
ALL RIGHT !!! , nothing i love more then endless lamenting torcher
Ilya Shambat
2003-08-08 17:01:10 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Michaela
2003-08-09 10:00:42 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?

- Michaela
Canader Canader
2003-08-09 17:08:51 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?
- Michaela
Yes, Ilya is stupid.


Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Michaela
2003-08-09 23:59:13 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?
- Michaela
Yes, Ilya is stupid.
That's not my idea.
Post by Canader Canader
Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.

- Michaela
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-11 13:42:05 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?
- Michaela
Yes, Ilya is stupid.
That's not my idea.
Post by Canader Canader
Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.
- Michaela
Ilya goes out on a limb - and dances.
He takes intellectual chances. He plays with ideas and words and is sometimes
brilliant and sometimes as silly as a teenager. And he can often be pedantic.

This seems to infuriate some people. Out there on that limb, dancing, Ilya's
vulnerable to rocks and sticks, thrown by people whose feet often seem ancored
in mud.

He reminds me of a court jester in-training. Full of wisdom and silliness. Too
unorthodox to be admitted into the convention of bishops.

Cat
jonah thomas
2003-08-11 14:05:07 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Ilya goes out on a limb - and dances.
He takes intellectual chances. He plays with ideas and words and is sometimes
brilliant and sometimes as silly as a teenager. And he can often be pedantic.
This seems to infuriate some people. Out there on that limb, dancing, Ilya's
vulnerable to rocks and sticks, thrown by people whose feet often seem ancored
in mud.
He reminds me of a court jester in-training. Full of wisdom and silliness. Too
unorthodox to be admitted into the convention of bishops.
Yes. We have to be careful not to give him too much encouragement or it
will spoil him.

Like a rose given too much water and fertilizer.

If people didn't mock him he'd wonder where he was going wrong.
Michaela
2003-08-12 08:30:59 UTC
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In article Michaela says...
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?
- Michaela
Yes, Ilya is stupid.
That's not my idea.
Post by Canader Canader
Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.
- Michaela
Ilya goes out on a limb - and dances.
He takes intellectual chances. He plays with ideas and words and is sometimes
brilliant and sometimes as silly as a teenager. And he can often be pedantic.
This seems to infuriate some people. Out there on that limb, dancing, Ilya's
vulnerable to rocks and sticks, thrown by people whose feet often seem ancored
in mud.
He reminds me of a court jester in-training. Full of wisdom and silliness. Too
unorthodox to be admitted into the convention of bishops.
Cat
I hear you. I think that if something bugs me about
someone else, it says something about me. In the sense
that I am a reflection of others and what I see in them
somehow reflects something about how I see myself.

In Ilya's case, perhaps (just perhaps, I'm not saying it
*is* so) his attackers resent his ability to go on posting
regardless - they wish they could be as free.

It takes courage to "go within" and challenge one's own
reactions/thoughts, so I'm not hoping for any miracles here.

And if it bugs me that Ilya bugs them then that's *my*
problem.
*Oy!*
Does it ever end...

- Michaela
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-12 15:54:16 UTC
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Post by Michaela
In article Michaela says...
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
lifetime?
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
kingdom.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
Post by Michaela
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
the globe.
Post by Ilya Shambat
Post by Ilya Shambat
There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
Is it a religious question?
Which will you answer? Religious or non-religious questions?
- Michaela
Yes, Ilya is stupid.
That's not my idea.
Post by Canader Canader
Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.
- Michaela
Ilya goes out on a limb - and dances.
He takes intellectual chances. He plays with ideas and words and is sometimes
brilliant and sometimes as silly as a teenager. And he can often be pedantic.
This seems to infuriate some people. Out there on that limb, dancing, Ilya's
vulnerable to rocks and sticks, thrown by people whose feet often seem ancored
in mud.
He reminds me of a court jester in-training. Full of wisdom and silliness. Too
unorthodox to be admitted into the convention of bishops.
Cat
I hear you. I think that if something bugs me about
someone else, it says something about me. In the sense
that I am a reflection of others and what I see in them
somehow reflects something about how I see myself.
I'm not sure I have that kind of patience. If a person, on-line or off, gets
rude enough to piss me off, they're rude enough for me to never want to
communicate with again.
Post by Michaela
In Ilya's case, perhaps (just perhaps, I'm not saying it
*is* so) his attackers resent his ability to go on posting
regardless - they wish they could be as free.
Ilya is a hippy. (I'm laughing right now, thinking about how he might read that
word.) He's never been overtly rude or hostile with me. Some people are able to
be teased and others are not.
Post by Michaela
It takes courage to "go within" and challenge one's own
reactions/thoughts, so I'm not hoping for any miracles here.
It takes a lot more balls to post his inner searchings on-line. I disagree with
him all the time. But so far, in my opinion, he behaves like a gentleman.
Post by Michaela
And if it bugs me that Ilya bugs them then that's *my*
problem.
*Oy!*
Does it ever end...
- Michaela
I consider a certain persistent and unsolicited type of relentless flamewaring
to be both a form of perverse net stalking and a sign that the attackers have
way too much unstructured time on their hands. Or, at the very least, they are
guilty of infecting others with their on-going depression.

I am quite able to create my own depressions - thank you!

Ilya just throws stuff out there so he can get some feetback. He's using this
medium to express and educate himself.

Not as a punching bag.

Cat
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-14 13:22:51 UTC
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I'm a fucking mess.
I'm sorry to hear that bob. I hope things turn around for you soon.
It's not that bad. I shouldn't have brought it up. I was feeling like
shit when I wrote the post. My weakness. I won't let it happen again.
A thousand pardons.
Be not concerned my dear! I often hear various economists (who are employed)
talking about "normal" market fluctuations and it's concommitant unemployment
surges in rarified and abstract terms and I have to fight back an overwhelming
urge to throw a brick at them.
I'm doing my own version of the rebound blues. My solution is to lean
emotionally on my close friends (and why not - they've certainly leaned on me
enough) and to bury myself in my work. I'm also about to reconfigure my work
schedule and restructure my hours. New projects are a great way to occupy the
mind.
Sounds good. I'm unemployed and am a hermit. I'll have to come up with
another plan!
Last weekend a group of chummies came out for a sleep-over and I don't know what
I would do without them. My most immediate problem is to cut down on my
drinking, which has spiked on the charts in the last three weeks. Not good. So
starting today, I'm on a new regimen.

Cat
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-15 16:42:12 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
I'm doing my own version of the rebound blues. My solution is to lean
emotionally on my close friends (and why not - they've certainly leaned on me
enough) and to bury myself in my work. I'm also about to reconfigure my work
schedule and restructure my hours. New projects are a great way to occupy the
mind.
Sounds good. I'm unemployed and am a hermit. I'll have to come up with
another plan!
Last weekend a group of chummies came out for a sleep-over and I don't know what
I would do without them. My most immediate problem is to cut down on my
drinking, which has spiked on the charts in the last three weeks. Not good. So
starting today, I'm on a new regimen.
That's good. I'm generally pretty good about it or at least I have
been for a while. This year has sort of sucked and I got into the bad
habit of drinking each night while reading. Besides being bad for my
mood and liver I managed to gain about 30 pounds. Three or four times
in the past two months I've drank enough that I felt like crap for
most of the next day. Two of those times were while I was visiting my
mother. Something about being in the house for the first time since my
father died and dealing with the fact that my mother's bf lived there
brought on a love affair with the bottle. Applying for food stamps
didn't do much for me last week.
I not forgive this administration for driving a strong economy into the dirt and
wasting so much human potential. I have been very bad about not
going home to see my folks. I feel a very strong need to go home this Christmas.

How old is your mother? (If you don't mind me asking?)
It must be stressful to be in your old house with her "boyfriend" there? I can't
even imagine my mother being with anyone but my father.
But no one's family is perfect. Certainly mine has its share of wackos.
Anyway.
I can't imagine having people over for the weekend. I get company
about twice a decade. One person at a time. This weekend, a friend of
my wife's is showing up with another woman for one night. I'll
probably take the kids to the beach to get out of the way.
The beach. I love isolated beaches. I can't stand crowded beaches. I'm quite
contented with calm mountain lakes. No sharks!
This weekend I'm turning off everything, including my cell-phone, and I'm going
off all electronics, except the stereo. I want to watch mars - the last
time it was this close was during the time of the neanderthals.
I'm supposed to get some work today but the douchebag, like usual, is
making it stressful for me. He's canceled a couple of times then he
said he'd stop over here instead. He wants to stand next to me while I
modify the product design. It'd make me feel like a trained seal.
Also, I'm really not interested in letting the guy in my house..
The only people I will see this weekend are the two guys that are bringing out a
cord of firewood. And they don't have much to say. I'm going for a
walk with my dog. Have a good weekend bob. Take care of yourself.

C
bob
2003-08-15 17:37:48 UTC
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Post by c***@fwiw.com
Post by c***@fwiw.com
I'm doing my own version of the rebound blues. My solution is to lean
emotionally on my close friends (and why not - they've certainly leaned on me
enough) and to bury myself in my work. I'm also about to reconfigure my work
schedule and restructure my hours. New projects are a great way to occupy the
mind.
Sounds good. I'm unemployed and am a hermit. I'll have to come up with
another plan!
Last weekend a group of chummies came out for a sleep-over and I don't know what
I would do without them. My most immediate problem is to cut down on my
drinking, which has spiked on the charts in the last three weeks. Not good. So
starting today, I'm on a new regimen.
That's good. I'm generally pretty good about it or at least I have
been for a while. This year has sort of sucked and I got into the bad
habit of drinking each night while reading. Besides being bad for my
mood and liver I managed to gain about 30 pounds. Three or four times
in the past two months I've drank enough that I felt like crap for
most of the next day. Two of those times were while I was visiting my
mother. Something about being in the house for the first time since my
father died and dealing with the fact that my mother's bf lived there
brought on a love affair with the bottle. Applying for food stamps
didn't do much for me last week.
I not forgive this administration for driving a strong economy into the dirt and
wasting so much human potential. I have been very bad about not
going home to see my folks. I feel a very strong need to go home this Christmas.
How much of the problem is due to the false ballooning (and subsequent
crash) of the stock market before this administration? How much is due
to the last Gulf War, the Reagan years, etc. Manufacturing jobs
started moving offshore en masse a generation ago. With the crash of
the overinflated stock market (the dot bomb) corporations started
looking for a new way to cut costs. I don't believe the blame is best
placed (or at least only placed) with the current administration. It's
a share thing. Government (past and present), corporations, and
investor expectations.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
How old is your mother? (If you don't mind me asking?)
She's 66.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
It must be stressful to be in your old house with her "boyfriend" there? I can't
even imagine my mother being with anyone but my father.
But no one's family is perfect. Certainly mine has its share of wackos.
He's an OK guy. We don't have much in common but that isn't the issue.
It just feels strange, that's all. My mother seems to be the boss in
the house for the most part.
Post by c***@fwiw.com
Anyway.
I can't imagine having people over for the weekend. I get company
about twice a decade. One person at a time. This weekend, a friend of
my wife's is showing up with another woman for one night. I'll
probably take the kids to the beach to get out of the way.
The beach. I love isolated beaches. I can't stand crowded beaches. I'm quite
contented with calm mountain lakes. No sharks!
This weekend I'm turning off everything, including my cell-phone, and I'm going
off all electronics, except the stereo. I want to watch mars - the last
time it was this close was during the time of the neanderthals.
Yes. It's neat, isn't it? My cell phone is off most of the time. It's
strange that I do that because, other than my wife, it's very rare for
anyone to call me. Sometimes I get work related calls but only one
other person has ever called me on that number. I probably should turn
it on today. I might get a call for a job or something.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-18 13:49:52 UTC
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
I not forgive this administration for driving a strong economy into the dirt and
wasting so much human potential. I have been very bad about not
going home to see my folks. I feel a very strong need to go home this Christmas.
How much of the problem is due to the false ballooning (and subsequent
crash) of the stock market before this administration? How much is due
to the last Gulf War, the Reagan years, etc. Manufacturing jobs
started moving offshore en masse a generation ago. With the crash of
the overinflated stock market (the dot bomb) corporations started
looking for a new way to cut costs. I don't believe the blame is best
placed (or at least only placed) with the current administration. It's
a share thing. Government (past and present), corporations, and
investor expectations.
I'm sure a lot of it is - but I like blaming the Republicans anyway.
Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
How old is your mother? (If you don't mind me asking?)
She's 66.
And she has a boyfriend? I can see why younger people who are widowed or
divorced would remarry.
But 66? But what do I know?
Post by bob
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It must be stressful to be in your old house with her "boyfriend" there? I can't
even imagine my mother being with anyone but my father.
But no one's family is perfect. Certainly mine has its share of wackos.
He's an OK guy. We don't have much in common but that isn't the issue.
It just feels strange, that's all. My mother seems to be the boss in
the house for the most part.
It's her house. It must be strange for her too.
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The beach. I love isolated beaches. I can't stand crowded beaches. I'm quite
contented with calm mountain lakes. No sharks!
This weekend I'm turning off everything, including my cell-phone, and I'm going
off all electronics, except the stereo. I want to watch mars - the last
time it was this close was during the time of the neanderthals.
Yes. It's neat, isn't it? My cell phone is off most of the time. It's
strange that I do that because, other than my wife, it's very rare for
anyone to call me. Sometimes I get work related calls but only one
other person has ever called me on that number. I probably should turn
it on today. I might get a call for a job or something.
I have to be connected most of the time. But I didn't want to talk to anyone
this weekend. I didn't feel like going to anyplace where I would have to
interact with anyone. Instead, I went hiking, swimming at the lake, listened to
music, and read. I also painted trim. It's sometimes very refreshing to
take a little mental hiatus.

Cat


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bob
2003-08-19 19:10:01 UTC
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I not forgive this administration for driving a strong economy into the dirt and
wasting so much human potential. I have been very bad about not
going home to see my folks. I feel a very strong need to go home this Christmas.
How much of the problem is due to the false ballooning (and subsequent
crash) of the stock market before this administration? How much is due
to the last Gulf War, the Reagan years, etc. Manufacturing jobs
started moving offshore en masse a generation ago. With the crash of
the overinflated stock market (the dot bomb) corporations started
looking for a new way to cut costs. I don't believe the blame is best
placed (or at least only placed) with the current administration. It's
a share thing. Government (past and present), corporations, and
investor expectations.
I'm sure a lot of it is - but I like blaming the Republicans anyway.
Blame Canada!
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How old is your mother? (If you don't mind me asking?)
She's 66.
And she has a boyfriend? I can see why younger people who are widowed or
divorced would remarry.
But 66? But what do I know?
It's about companionship, I imagine. She's used to having someone else
around. She'll probably outlive me so I won't be surprised if she
finds someone else when this guy dies.
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
It must be stressful to be in your old house with her "boyfriend" there? I can't
even imagine my mother being with anyone but my father.
But no one's family is perfect. Certainly mine has its share of wackos.
He's an OK guy. We don't have much in common but that isn't the issue.
It just feels strange, that's all. My mother seems to be the boss in
the house for the most part.
It's her house. It must be strange for her too.
I don't think it is strange for her at all. I was surprised when she
bought an HDTV unit complete with a surround sound stereo system for
her winter place (40 minutes from here). I'm sure it was a toy for
him. It's good that she's enjoying herself.
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Post by bob
Post by c***@fwiw.com
The beach. I love isolated beaches. I can't stand crowded beaches. I'm quite
contented with calm mountain lakes. No sharks!
This weekend I'm turning off everything, including my cell-phone, and I'm going
off all electronics, except the stereo. I want to watch mars - the last
time it was this close was during the time of the neanderthals.
Yes. It's neat, isn't it? My cell phone is off most of the time. It's
strange that I do that because, other than my wife, it's very rare for
anyone to call me. Sometimes I get work related calls but only one
other person has ever called me on that number. I probably should turn
it on today. I might get a call for a job or something.
I have to be connected most of the time. But I didn't want to talk to anyone
this weekend. I didn't feel like going to anyplace where I would have to
interact with anyone. Instead, I went hiking, swimming at the lake, listened to
music, and read. I also painted trim. It's sometimes very refreshing to
take a little mental hiatus.
I turned my phone on yesterday afternoon. It'd been off for a while. I
had a message waiting for me. Tomorrow I have a phone interview. My
second *hit* since April 2002.
c***@fwiw.com
2003-08-13 14:06:06 UTC
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Post by Michaela
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.
- Michaela
Ilya goes out on a limb - and dances.
He takes intellectual chances. He plays with ideas and words and is sometimes
brilliant and sometimes as silly as a teenager. And he can often be pedantic.
This seems to infuriate some people. Out there on that limb, dancing, Ilya's
vulnerable to rocks and sticks, thrown by people whose feet often seem ancored
in mud.
He reminds me of a court jester in-training. Full of wisdom and silliness. Too
unorthodox to be admitted into the convention of bishops.
In my mind I sometimes cast him as Konstantin Gavrilovich, the
young writer in "The Seagull". Almost everybody laughs at his
writing. And most directors make fun of it too. They feel on
Chekhov's side because Chekhov's style is a lot, sometimes even
verbatim, like Trigorin's, the successful, mature writer. -- I
tend to believe they are wrong, they underestimate Chekhov, his
ability to critisize himself, and the radicality of the
contradiction he wrote about. As spectator most of the time you
are "spared" of the real conflict, the drama, the comedy (and get
some "Russian" atmosphere instead).
Kostya insists on something that is not here. Not even in his
writing.
So, like Kostya, I prefer Ilya trying (and failing) at "new
forms" to Ilya going for some kind of yellow press classical
beauty.
There is no shortcut to Apollo. Most of the time the best one can
try is a hurt Dionysos.
c
--
Wer auf sein Elend tritt, steht höher.
_HÖLDERLIN: H Y P E R I O N_ <http://www.blacktrash.org/>
Great analogy! I've read some Chekhov. But it's been years since I thought about
The Sea-Gull. Haven't really re-read any of him since under-grad work.

Cat
Canader Canader
2003-08-11 21:09:10 UTC
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The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in
our
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lifetime?
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If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter
God's
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kingdom.
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If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people
around
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the globe.
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There are no other questions worth asking.
You're stupid, aren't you?
Is that question worth asking?
- Michaela, Ilya you're stupid
Yes, Ilya is stupid.
That's not my idea.
Post by Canader Canader
Ilya, why are you so stupid?
Maybe something about Ilya bugs you? Is it Ilys being stupid?
If something about Ilya bugs you it seems to me it's you
who has the problem. Because Ilya keeps on posting regardless.
Michaela, I was told the very same thing about DUMBASS BTR 1701.


Ilya, why are you so stupid?
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- Michaela
Hey Charlotte want to see something funny AND cool?


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HTH
bob
2003-08-11 21:12:23 UTC
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Looks like Bustamante.
Michaela
2003-08-12 07:59:28 UTC
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Looks like Bustamante.
Charles
2003-08-12 08:17:05 UTC
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The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
It's a worthless question, as we have no way to answer it.

What is necessary to enter God's kingdom, do you know? What that guy
on TV says, or which of the myriad of preachers am I to choose from?

What does it matter when the world ends, if God is pleased or not?
Now, five minutes from now, five millennia from now? Am I saved for a
few minutes, lost after that?


the only questions worth asking are the ones with a possibility of
answers, the rest are mental masturbation.
--
- Charles
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-does not play well with others
Canader Canader
2003-08-26 22:08:27 UTC
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Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of autistic tard?













































WELL?
wombn
2003-08-27 00:38:28 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of autistic tard?
Has it ever occurred to you that parents of autistic or retarded
children may be reading these messages and may be offended by this
kind of comment?
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
bob
2003-08-27 01:04:46 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of autistic tard?
Has it ever occurred to you that parents of autistic or retarded
children may be reading these messages and may be offended by this
kind of comment?
And?
wombn
2003-08-27 03:00:55 UTC
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Post by wombn
Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of autistic tard?
Has it ever occurred to you that parents of autistic or retarded
children may be reading these messages and may be offended by this
kind of comment?
And?
well if you can't put 2 and 2 together.... <shrug>
--
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
bob
2003-08-27 03:32:17 UTC
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Post by Canader Canader
Post by Ilya Shambat
The only religious question worth asking is, Will the world end in our lifetime?
If it will end, we should bet on doing what's necessary to enter God's kingdom.
If it will not end, we should bet on improving life for people around the globe.
There are no other questions worth asking.
Are you some kind of autistic tard?
Has it ever occurred to you that parents of autistic or retarded
children may be reading these messages and may be offended by this
kind of comment?
And?
well if you can't put 2 and 2 together.... <shrug>
And?
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